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  1. lilsmartass on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 12:56AM UTC

    This is mostly so people can *understand* where Steve and Clint (and to a lesser extent Natasha) are coming from, because it seems very unjust to half the Avengers to write four four stories where all the readers start from the assumption that they were dicks. I'm not really aiming to make people agree with them because, with the best of intentions though they might have acted, their actions were *wrong.*

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    1. Krys on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 01:25AM UTC

      Without a doubt they are wrong but I'm not saying I don't understand either. Steve can't have been awake very long before the chitauri invaded and they were all thrown together as a team. He is definitely for the under dog and Clint has to obviously suffering from the Loki possession and he's going to want to back him up because he's a loyal guy like that. I can appreciate that, in the military spirit and all as I'm coming up on my 7 years. Loyalty is something I understand and is underrated in our world, what I don't understand is his loyalty without giving a chance to Tony. Brothers/sisters in arms. Never leave a man behind and all that. (Seriously, since I read the first part of this series all I could think was that the warrior in Thor would be hopelessly disappointed in what happened because I can't ever see him turning a back on another warrior, ever. No matter his personal opinion on the other person.)
      I just wish Steve would pay attention to his own thoughts, he practically admitted he doesn't want to give Tony a chance because he's not Howard, and how is that even fair? Really, the only thing I can think is that I know Steve is going to be beating himself up pretty spectacularly when everything comes to light. No one can beat you up more than you can yourself, because no one else knows your own weaknesses and deepest fears like yourself.
      I forgot to say it too, lovely chapter. Looking forward to more.

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      1. lilsmartass on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 01:38AM UTC

        Glad you enjoyed it despite your questions about Steve's actions.

        The answer is really two fold. Steve is human too, and as such is fallible and can make mistakes and OK, he wasn't mind controlled and made to kill people he knows, but he is in a dark place here too. In my head canon he has been out of the ice for about ten weeks. He knows no one and he's lost everything, he's suffering from PTSD and berevement and might as well be on another planet for all the things that aren't familiar to him, and Tony isn't Howard and he *wants* him to be so damn much and it would be easier if he was like his mother, but he's not, he's similar enough to the person Steve wants to make him ache...but it just isn't the same. And the second side of that, is that Steve thinks he HAS given Tony a chance. In the movie (the first times they meet) pretty much all Steve and Tony do is clash. In the movie, that's all kind of written over when Steve finds out that Tony IS the kind of guy to lay down on the wire after all and rethinks. Here, I diverged from that general assumption and had Steve hear Tony bragging (to a pretty girl, but Steve is a derp about things like that and never for one moment thinks that maybe Tony would try and make himself sound more awesome than he is to someone he was flirting with) that his armour can withstand anything and assumed he had a plan all along. He still acknowledges what he did as brave, but it's still just cutting the wire, and it's not the same and doesn't wipe out all those bad feelings from before and now they've got guilt added because if Tony *had* had a plan, Steve ordered the portal closed.

        So Steve thinks he's tried and the thing is, once you've got a set idea about someone like that, its so easy (too easy) to view everything they do through that lens, which is what Steve continues to do. Stark isn't the type to make sacrifices THEREFORE it is logical to assume that he wants something in return for letting us stay in his tower.

        Added to that that at this point they have nothing in common. Steve was straight-laced in the 1940s, now he's virtually a parody and the things Tony likes doing are not things that had positive attributes in the 1940s because without celebrity culture they weren't glamorous merely shameful and destructive.

        The only person who knows everyone is Coulson and he's in a coma and then still in medical and doesn't know what's going on. The other Avengers might have been able to fix it, or at least smooth it over (which Tony acknowledges in his part, he wasn't planning on moving anyone in until Bruce or Thor was there to make the transition easier, he knows he's not good with people). The whole thing is a recipe for disaster.

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        1. Krys on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 02:02AM UTC

          Disaster it was.
          PTSD has been a thought on my mind for all this. I can't imagine that any of them, especially following the battle, aren't suffering some side effects (I'm still trying to figure out the time between IM2 and the Avengers movie also). I just. . . all the feels and angst and... and...
          You trying to kill me with all this aren't you? That's bad for the reviewing you know. Kidding. Loving it. Bring on the feels. I suck at dealing with real life emotions but I can handle it better through a secondary source aka anything that's not my own.

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          1. lilsmartass on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 02:08AM UTC

            I am totally trying to kill you. I am in fact a serial killer and this is my preferred method. Doom by pheels.

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            1. Krys on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 02:30AM UTC

              My tomb will read death by cruel author and FEELS.

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              1. lilsmartass on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 02:31AM UTC

                :D

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        3. Krys on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 02:29AM UTC

          Also, first impressions? Can be almost next to impossible to change. People hate changing that first impression because it means that they were wrong and humans hate being wrong and even more than that we hate admitting to it too.
          By Steve hearing Tony bragging he can totally support his original thinking and doesn't have to change his first opinion anymore. He's still right. Ugh. People are difficult. Give me children and animals. Simple creatures. . . for the most part lol

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          1. lilsmartass on Chapter 3 Sat 22 Dec 2012 02:33AM UTC

            My dad used to quote 'You never get a second chance at a first impression' before my brother and I had interviews for stuff. Guess how I named this series?

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