Nice analogy... I've just finished reading Order of the Phoenix and started Half-Blood Prince... Snape was just saying to Bellatrix that does she think he managed to fool the best master of Legilimency... I say to the book ''Yes, you did''. ..
I don't think the adult Tom in my story would have been fooled in this way like Voldemort in origal timeline
True. Seriously, this guy is far worse than Tywin in matter of pride and pettiness. As much as I despised the Old Lion, he was a bit more intelligent in spite of his pride blindness and his ruthless dogmatism.
Now I read how Dumbledore came to Harry's house...
First of all, he already has a black hand, so Snape didn't risk anything with oath, he already knew that Dumbledore was dying.
Plus, Dumbledore forced the couch to move and forced the Durleys to get on it...
Yeah, great diplomacy and social relations... I am shocked how Dumbledore manage to free Umbridge... Maybe he was better with magical creatures than normal people
Yes, at least Snape took a reasoned and planned risk.
There are people like that. But considering that his brother loves more goats than people (why does it sound like a dubious joke?), perhaps it's a family thing.
You should really read "Force Interrupts". The author really made fun of the blunders and plotholes and inconsistencies, especially when it concerns Dumbledore. At least, this "bashing" is far more legitimate.
I'm a bit surprised by the change in tone... In volume 6 you can see that Voldemort's victory threatens both worlds - there is a bridge collapse, dementors, a giant... but in volume 7 Voldemort focused only on the wizarding world/muggle-borns... and muggles are actually left alone.
Yes... The shift is kind of problematic and has a sense of GRRM's views on smallfolk. Like smallfolks, Muggle seem not caring about the strange occurrences that were happening during the seventh book which don't make any sense. I mean, considering how a tyranny can abuse its power and thinks itself invisible, why would death eaters and any of their accomplices being "subtle" in "muggle huntings" when nothing seems to stop them now and considering their biais toward nonmagical people? In fact, it is as if JKR wanted to remind us that the two worlds were existing alongside in the sixth book.
If the book was rewritten today, I think the Prime Minister would ironically play a bigger part in the events as incidents were growing strong. Ironically, one of the "Force interrupts" chapter is how muggle intervenes after Harry, Ron and Hermione accidentally crashed the dragon on Eye Tower (though in the book context, that would have been Big Ben, revealing the Magical World and bringing the Prime Minister to further intervene in the magical world to put an end to what happens there).
It would be logical for the wizarding world to be exposed during this war to no-magic society.
You know...I think Harry was only at the house on Privet Drive for two weeks this summer...because Dumbledore was dying. So time was running out... Dumbledore had to get Horace Slughorn as a teacher/he couldn't put it off until Year 7 or later... I bet that's not how he planned it... He knew he wasn't eternal, but if he hadn't touched the ring he could still be alive... Even if the Ministry fell, Dumbledore could still guard Hogwarts... again it was his stupidity that caused so many children to suffer in 7th year...
If he hadn't taken the ring... It would have been 2 already... from Slughorn's memory he knows that there were supposed to be 6 Horcruxes plus Harry as a random Horcrux...
So that leaves 4 - the snake, the missing locket and two potential items...
The Horcrux hunt could have been much more peaceful and less painful if Dumbledore hadn't touched the ring.
Besides I think that Tom Riddle had something like sentiment for Horace Slughorn to not kill him because his knowledge...
Yes! In contextual and worldbuilding levels, it makes no sense that the no-magical society stays blind to the impact of the second wizarding world with how easily the Statue of Secrecy was broken during the seventh book (I mean, considering that Gringotts is literally at the centre of London, how many people did see the white dragon flying into the sky. It is not like the flying car who had an invisibility option that partly works, not to mention that Harry guided Ron to make a departure that was discrete to avoid being noticed and it was during their flight they had been seen by seven people).
I agree with your stance on Dumbledore. He had been was so self-centered and so blinded by distrust and past traumas he manages to nearly foil the magical world and his own plans because of selfish stupidity.
You are right about Tom, because it doesn't make sense to let alive someone who is aware of what Voldemort had likely done to survive.
I like Horace, I know some people don't like him... but I like him with his joy to social things, help talented people and all he wants is some recognition and comfort...
Yes, he is the most sociable Slytherin and wizard that comes to my mind. And at least, he is trying to allow wizards and witches with potential to thrive. That's something to his honor.
I don't like Ginny when she said Fleur was worse than Umbridge - this woman literally tortured children... and Fleur made some inappropriate comments... Hermione and Ginny were probably jealous of Fleur...
They were jealous. And considering that Ginny was said to be close to Bill, this jealousy is enhanced.
Personally, both Hermione, Ginny and Molly should have been scolded down for their derogatory manners. For people who disliked how they are regarded by others, they are rather hypocritical, especially as Fleur has to deal with being a veela. But no, jealous stupid fools.
I'm not surprised that Ollivander was kidnapped...Voldemort must have known the secrets of wands, but I don't understand why the ice cream maker was kidnapped/killed...unless he was a muggleborn
The ice cream maker being a muggleborn might be a possibility, especially as we don't know where the ice cream in wizarding world come from. And considering the blindness and dogmatism of the traditionalists to what the wizarding culture means, I can totally imagine some of them believing that ice creams are an insult to pure magical culture.
You know... it's funny that even Voldemort, destroyed by madness and Horcruxes... still has within him the remains of that young charming boy who wanted to be respectable... For example, I remember Rookwood telling him that no one can touch the prophecy beyond the parties involved, and Voldemort was very elegant about it apart from Avery's later punishment session. I'm thinking of the comparison that they were worse than him.... Fenrir, Bellatrix, Umbridge...
I read now, a scene where Hermione walks into Borgin's shop immediately after Malfoy and just plays dumb, even though it's obvious why she's there...Tom Riddle would yell at her for being stupid again...if you want to pretend you're not tied up then wait 5 minutes... and if you want open information, use gold or threats...
Yes.. And that reminds me of an interesting book called "Harry Potter: the Anti-Peter Pan" or something similar where the author commented on how Voldemort was like a mix of Captain Hook and of Peter Pan because of his role of the MC's nemesis and his refusal to die that can be akin to Peter Pan's refusal to grow up. And I remember her explanation on why part of the fans expected Harry Potter to die, because it was in a way their refusal to see their favorite character to escape the clutch of youth through growing up. I'm sure there are other reasons, but I like the idea.
Hermione, Hermione, Hermione (I'm sure you would know which character I'm imitating...). Subtetly is not your strength. Amusing you commented on Tom yelling on her as I would have thinking of Kreia that would have scolded her for not using manipulation to reach her purposes, especially considering how she uses blackmail to bring Rita to write Harry's interview in the fifth book (which makes me think... How Rita manages to write such article on Dumbledore as Hermione could have leaked the truth on her being an animagus at this point...). In a way Hermione is like Thomson and Thompson from Tintin in that field.
Yes, and she even started shouting at Ron when he told her it wasn't very good...
I also don't like how no one believed Harry... I understand that Ron and Hermione didn't know anything about Death Eaters and only saw them from a distance in the Department of Mysteries... but Arthur Weasley disappointed me a lot...
Hermione's hypocrisy... Even Katara wouldn't be so rude to Aang or Sokka for failing.
This is a big issue of the two last books. The fact that everyone dismisses Harry when he says something big (Malfoy being a potential death eater... when Sirius has mentionned his late brother Regulus being one at 16! or his wand acting on his own when facing Voldemort during the Battle of the Seven Potters). I found rather ironic that JKR made Harry's friends and allies acting the same way that the Ministry of Magic did in the fifth book.
Yes, especially since why wouldn't Voldemort want a spy at Hogwarts like Malfoy... only thing to do it was to roll up his sleeve and see his arm...
I'm a bit surprised by Dumbledore's cheerfulness, e.g. during the feast when the students see his dead hand... I just want to shout at him that out of stupidity you just potentially ruined your plans...
Exactly! And considering the precedent of Ginny (even though she had been possessed) or how they had been "betrayed" by Marietta, they should be more cautious of the possibility of a student being a spy for Voldemort.
Dumbledore is a bit like "David Goodenough" (a meme from "Joueur du Grenier" videos, a French Youtuber that has been making videos on video games since 2009, including one on Harry Potter games) in the sense that he is "nonchalant" when his mistakes and neglect created issues for everyone else.
Here is the link to David Goodenough wiki page on the fandom (French one): https://joueur-du-grenier.fandom.com/fr/wiki/David_Goodenough and I know some Youtubers made compilations of the gag from the different videos he is present.
And here is the JDG video on Harry Potter games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugs9HASX4rA&pp=ygUQamRnIGhhcnJ5IHBvdHRlcg%3D%3D.
I don't understand why Snape wanted to be a DADA teacher if there was a curse there... And a very effective one at that... I just don't understand what the difference is, what subject he would teach and he hated being a teacher so much...
Perhaps it was his unconscious attempt to escape his role and to face the punishment he felt he deserved. As nasty and dislikable Snape was, there is one thing I can acknowledge with him, the fact he fell he couldn't be redeemed. Sure, redemption is a personal effort, but considering the fact he didn't mature and was petty with many people around him, he was partly true. Or perhaps he believed he could have lifted the curse with his knowledge of dark arts. But I personally think it might be a bit of both.
I was reading the chapter now where Dumbledore shows a memory of meeting Tom Riddle...
Dumbledore says that Tom didn't want to go to Diagon Alley with him because it's his nature... I think he didn't want to go with him because he didn't trust him... Tom would really like to charm the new teacher and find out everything... . Except that Dumbledore made a mistake...
Yes... Dumbledore is unfit to be a teacher because of his lack of understanding and of empathy. And I find very ironic from Dumbledore to says that Tom didn't want to go to Diagon Alley with him because it's his nature when himself tends to play solo. It's rather sad and amusing that the two main rivals have in common the lack of trust in their allies and their tendency to play solo.
I think he would have wanted to impress her and would be intrigued as she would have shown magic in a way that is not to impress him through frightening ways, but in a beautiful way, not to mention her demeanour would confuse him as it would be so different from how Mrs Cole interacted with him.
But that's a fallacy many can fall in, especially as it can (unconciously) help them to conceal their regrets, their own mistakes. Distance can have its advantages when dealing with some situations, but it can also trick people into false sense of knowing how to react or to act.
You are right that Tom was just a boy, one that was alone and raised in one of the least recommended places for a child. And Dumbledore... He was in his "median" period where the guilt for what happened to his sister and his family as a whole was likely the strongest and where the shadow of Grindelwald was further stronger (and while "The Fantastic Animals" had their issues, the idea of the blood pact is an interesting twist to me to show how far Dumbledore and Grindelwald went in this fateful summer). I think that in a way, Dumbledore was projecting those elements on Tom.
And of course, when Dumbledore shows the memory to Harry, there is the fact that almost 60 years had gone by since the first encounter, meaning the memory is also altered by the personal feelings and impressions on one hand and on the other, as much as Dumbledore might remember things, those memories are also biased by whatever experiences and interactions he had known afterwards.
Really, Dumbledore had a bit of a bad entrance also because he was the older man in this case. Immediately an association with a doctor/professor... I don't like the fact that in fanfiction it is presented that Tom would react similarly to Harry - a time traveler... No, Tom would not behave the same towards Harry at all . Harry, who was a young adult with untidy hair and lack of typical decorum, would have a different reaction than Dumbledore. Tom wouldn't associate Harry with a representative of a mental institution at all.
My SI would also would have an easier time because Tom would be surprised by the young woman in an elegant dress who visits him at the orphanage.
You are totally right. I know why Dumbledore did it, because otherwise Mrs Cole wouldn't have allowed him to visit the orphanage, but the moment he entered the room (and he could have confused Mrs Cole or waited for her to leave and turned her back), he could have change his clothes with a move of his wand, which also could have been a better way to show Tom he wasn't alone without using a terrifying move (burning-like cupboard). I think in this case, it's a comprehensive overlook as he couldn't assume Tom was conciously using his magic, even for harmful (albeit in a defensive manner) reasons.
You are right on both the time-traveller Harry and your SI. I think part of the issues with fanfictions is the temptation to recreate situations, even when the circumstances and context have shifted. The fanfiction depicting Tom reacting the same way with a time-traveler Harry as with Dumbledore is the same as the Red Wedding occuring in many fanfictions or Jon being raised as king of the Seven Kingdoms once he found his Targaryen legacy (and often turning back on his Stark raising) when there are many obstacles and challenges to overcome (and having a dragon IMO may make things easier, but also enhanced those issues of legitimacy).
That would be funny... Time traveler Harry goes to the orphanage and expects to be treated like Dumbledore... and Tom immediately becomes full of joy, asks him if he is family - cousin or stepbrother... or his father sent him.
How do you think Tom felt about the closet/being told to give things to other orphans...
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