Hehe, even Paul would be that stupid, lol, confessing Chani or Irulan what he has been doing for years :)) Nope :))
I don't plan Paul POV, nope, because I want to make it easier for me, lol, and create more suspense in the narrative too, but mostly, Paul is very very powerful right now, so his POV is making the narrative a lot harder. Perhaps I might do some little intervals, brief interludes, when the story demands it and I can't find any other way, but since then we'll see Paul's action from Irulan side, something even hearing them through others. Like Gurney or Jessica telling passing to Irulan Paul's comments or orders, lol, so we will not even hear them directly from Irulan's POV until they meet again :)))
Ah, don't worry, I'm a softie. :)) I tell you always. I don't even tag any other characters or ships for the story, even Paul/Chani in the background despite they're there because this IS a Paul/Irulan story. And me likes happy endings :))
Really, I imagine that writing Paul's POV, with him being as powerful as he is in the books, is difficult.
I hate what he did to her, but I also like reading stories that explore what they could have been, if only he had given Irulan a chance. They had so much potential :(
So Irulan will be in exile on Caladan for a long time? There she will stay with Jessica and Alia?
Yeah, it is very hard, and I believe it's also one of the reasons why there are so many "plot holes" in the second book, in my book, and while it's that short, because writing his POV as almost quasi-omnipresent hindered Frank Herbert. He tried to circle the issue by not giving us Paul's full mindset and impressions, hinting at them (for example, at the beginning he was only referring Chani's death in childbirth as "that terrible path" or something like that, to ground him down. For my writing style, writing a character like Paul in his full powers is HARD! Lol. I honestly need to practice it from others' POVs first before doing it :)) (Hehe, Sir Lance's advice. Know your strength, know your weakness as well. I know, too!!! :)) After I practice it and get a gist of it, I might try :)
"So Irulan will be in exile on Caladan for a long time? There she will stay with Jessica and Alia?" Hmm, in the narrative, it won't be long, because I'm planning to keep this story not too long. I'll try to wrap it in 20 or so chapters, (I hope!) but there will be time jumps. She will stay at Caladan in exile for 3 or 6 months, I believe, until Chani gets pregnant. (This also is needed because Chani can't get pregnant quickly after getting fed by contraceptives that long, her body will need time to get rid of them and her cycle recalibrate itself. The thing is that since the secret is out and they know Irulan is responsible, Chani will not start that antique Fremen diet, and will not take spice to get pregnant. That'll cause the biggest change in what happened in the canon, because you know without spice the twins can't born as preborn :) And that changes EVERYTHING :)))) Ripple effects :))
Oh, Alia is at Dune, being Paul's heir at the moment. So no. It's only Jessica and Gurney. Lol. Imagine them together :)
Oh, if Chani is without her spice diet then the twins won’t be as powerful as they are in the books?
And if Irulan has a daugther who can inherent the Golden Path? Well, i guess Irulan’s child will be more powerful and i doesn’t matter the gender if her child is as powerful as Leto II in the books.
And Irulan will stay with the couple Jessica and Gurney, hmmmm I think her time in Caladan will be a time for her to relax a little. Will she get pregnant there or in Dune?
Since she won’t stay long in Caladan her child will be born in Dune and raised there next to her father and her siblings. And Chani will also know that Irulan will have Paul’s baby. I do hope they have other children in the future, once they become a couple x)
No, I believe gender is very critical to creating the real Kwitastz Haderach, a female one cannot be. Even Paul couldn't supposedly inherit all his powers because he came one generation earlier than what was planned, so it gotta be the male heir :)) Hehe. Let's make some brain storming :) There is no reason for Chani to start the Fremen diet because she knows what Irulan has been doing to her, so consequently without the Fremen fertility diet, there will be no preborn babies. But the other thing, fraternal twins are a thing of fertility treatments. Only identical twins can born in natural ways, there are some abnormalities when fraternal twins come via natural ways but it's very, very, very rare and it's an abnormality. Women bodies usually let only one mature egg from the ovaries during the cycle, to have matured more than one egg you need to get filled up with hormones which is basically fertility treatments. (I went through oocyte cryopreservation to get my eggs frozen several years ago and I got filled up so much hormones that I couldn't sleep. They do it to retrieve as many as mature eggs possible from the ovaries) This is also why during the IVF treatment or insemination, women get preggers so much with fraternal twins because they leave many fertilized eggs to have a better success ratio for pregnancy. So, logically, (and because I'm a very logical person who hates plot holes, lol, you know) if someone is having fraternal twins, it gotta be Irulan, not Chani, because Irulan will have the very fertility treatment and insemination to get pregnant now :)))
But another thing is Paul couldn't even see Leto II in his prescience, he wasn't aware of him, he only saw Ghanima. So *Leto II* is already special, the real Kwisazt Haderach, and you know... damn, I cannot talk further now, because I'm spoiling all the plot here now, lol. But damn, I will just say *making babies* stands in the heart of this story :)) Making Leto II is not an easy job, lol :))))
"And Irulan will stay with the couple Jessica and Gurney, hmmmm I think her time in Caladan will be a time for her to relax a little. Will she get pregnant there or in Dune?"
Hehe, yeah, her time at Caladan will be like "the best thing that happened to her after her wedding" :))) She will very much like Caladan, and she will see a different side of Paul from his childhood memoirs as well, how Caladan interprets him etc, she will literally live in the castle Paul grew up :) So yeah, it's gonna be...different and will make her see Paul in a different light more a bit, but then she will also have the worst day of her life in Caladan too, which Irulan used to think was her wedding night prior to that event. (I'm listening to Lost's soundtrack for the song Charlie died, it just puts me into the mood for the scene I'm planning for her, it's gonna be very sad :(( So it's gonna be a mix of both for her, good and bad, and ugly. She will get pregnant on Caladan while Chani is pregnant on Dune. It's sequential, Chani gets pregnant first and Irulan's pregnancy follows. Irulan will return to Dune after she gives birth to her daughter, not before. Paul will order her back.
"No, I believe gender is very critical to creating the real Kwitastz Haderach, a female one cannot be. Even Paul couldn't supposedly inherit all his powers because he came one generation earlier than what was planned, so it gotta be the male heir." I'm not quite sure this is true. Yes, I think the *first* KH needed to be male, but CoD very much seems to suggest either Leto or Ghanima could have taken on the wormskin and the Golden Path. Either one could have accepted the agony, it's just that Leto "was always the stronger."
Oh, i was not certain if i remembered this detail correctly. It's been a while since I read the books, but I vaguely remember that both Leto II and Ghanima could fulfill the Golden Path, but that Leto decided to be him to spare his sister.
That's why I think Irulan's daughter could be more powerful than her siblings (i think she’ll have a sister here as well). Since she is the one who will undergo fertility treatment and her genetics have been monitored by the Sisterhood for millennia. But I guess anything is possible:)
So Irulan is going back to Dune after giving birth. I'm curious to see Paul's reaction to his daughter, whether he will be distant or try to create a relationship with her.
You said she will have the worst night of her life there, i wonder what will happen to her 🤔.
I don't think Paul is Robert Baratheon. He's an Atreides, so it's hard to believe he'd have no feelings towards any of his offspring no matter how they were exactly fathered. I think if Mohiam agreed to his artificial insemination proposal (along with Irulan's banishment), he probably would have been curious about his child with Irulan, would make sure they were looked after, and would eventually have had a *desire* to meet them. I think he probably would have avoided meeting them or bringing them to court out of respect for Chani, but if she were to *out of the way* then I think things would eventually change on that score (similar to how Corlys Velaryon decides to bring his bastard sons into his life after Rhaenys dies in FoB/HoTD).
Yeah, I also think he would like to meet one of his children. Even though they never had sex or a romantic relationship, it doesn't change the fact that the girl is his daughter.
Irulan will return to Dune, I'm curious about her and her daughter's interaction with Paul and with her siblings if Chani is still there. If not, the scenario will be very different. I hope she will not be there tbh, i’m not a big fan of her.
Oh, damn, here I am again, speaking oh-so-confidently about the third book events without even reading it :))))) Lol. But if Leto II was not special like I suggested, then the end of the second book is a plot hole, damn!!!! Like Paul couldn't see Leto II presence in his prescience, he was clouded from him, I took it because he was "special" all along, not only because he was the male heir, by the way, but because he was conceived before Paul went through the Agony and he also was born as pre-born because of Chani's consumption of spice. Like the first Leto that died in the first book wasn't special at all, so it's not only genes or chromosomes, either. KH is a male species, though, that's very canon, the breeding program was trying to achieve the offspring with XY chromosomes to have their "chosen one". So I still have to insist that XX chromosomes cannot be the one they seek. Furthermore, the Bene Gesserit or other people (male and female) can also do what Paul can do--if they survive the agony, that's it. The thing was that they couldn't survive it, they all tried and died. I guess it's like a paradox after Paul has become, hehe. His offsprings can survive the Agony of the Golden Path ie. the transformation to a sandworm, having wormskin etc, but only Leto II can still be Kwisatz Haderach :)) That Leto II is special. If he wasn't, Paul also should have seen his coming like he foresaw Ghanima :) I hold my defense:))))
Oh, oh, Paul is not an asshole, hehe, I mean, not always, but yes, there is not even a chance that he could have been indifferent to his own child regardless of how it was conceived once she/he was born. If they did it in the books, he wouldn't have looked the other way if things didn't go as they did. I believe he started to gather his common sense by that point at least, finally coming to his senses and trying to find a way out for himself in which they all can be a bit...happy. The Bene Gesserit would get off his neck, having his genes, and he was already knowing Irulan could have been easily swayed after having his child etc. He would have even brought his child to the court eventually. Paul was self-centered, and was an irrational mess in the second book, but again, he was still not a bad guy. He was also emotionally-driven a lot, and the moment he saw his son, he would have been done. He can ignore and deny his "own ambivalent feelings" toward Irulan, but couldn't have denied his feelings toward his son after agreeing to do it. That would have been so OOC for his character.
That being said, hehe, in the story... hehe, rest assured, Chani dying at birth is pretty "inevitable" for her "destiny." Paul foresaw it many, many times, also knew it was the best scenario for her. Paul foresaw her dying in birth "before" Irulan started giving her the contraceptives, did not stop it. Again, "mere temporal succession does not establish a causal connection", heheh, our dear logical fallacy :)) Irulan's drugging Chani appears causing her death, but it didn't. If that was the case, Paul would have *sensed* it with his powers, and simply stopped Irulan from doing it so that Chani wouldn't have died at childbirth. They are *not* connected. Again, if they're connected, it's a plot hole. Irulan's drugging caused the twins to become preborn--because Chani started the Fremen diet to overpass the effects of the drugs, only that. Dying at childbirth wasn't the cause of Irulan's drugging. :)))) SO yeah... I think you both understood what's happening in the story :))))) Damn, I've talked too much again :)))))
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