Comment on Of Kings and Bastards

  1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sat 25 Jun 2022 05:08PM UTC

    What changed do you have in mind?

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    1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 03:31AM UTC

      First, will the Targaryen still have conquered Westeros? And should the male Stark OC’s mother be Catelyn Tully or the late Ashara Dayne?

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      1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 08:53AM UTC

        If the story is (at the beginning at least) to follow the plot of the books, I think the Targaryens even MUST have conquered Westeros and then been driven from the throne again in Robert's Rebellion. Otherwise, the necessary constellations of characters and marriages would not have come about at all - or only with a great many twistings of the story.

        In that case, however, I would stick to the idea that Catelyn would be the mother, but that the protagonist would still be an OC, so that there is more potential for the story to differ from the books. The character could maybe be Robb's younger twin brother or something like that...

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        1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 09:07AM UTC

          Yeah for all that. What do you think of the Stark OC being the eldest trueborn son of Eddard Stark and Catelyn Tully and the older twin brother of Robb Stark?

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          1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 09:16AM UTC

            Hmm, not sure. If the OC were the eldest son and thus Ned's heir right from the beginning, it could just as well just be Robb. There would not be much of a point in introducing an OC just to make him a 100% replacement of Robb.
            Making him the second son would also make it more impactful for the character and the story in case Robb were to die again (like in the books).

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            1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 09:18AM UTC

              I think it could have an impact even if the OC is the eldest?

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              1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 09:20AM UTC

                Well, of course. It certainly WOULD have an impact. Whether Robb or the OC would be older, they would still be brothers.

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                1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 09:46AM UTC

                  So the male Stark OC will be the older twin brother of Robb Stark?

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                  1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 10:09AM UTC

                    Well, I find it much less appealing, but for the moment we can got with it, I guess.

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                    1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 10:10AM UTC

                      Yep. What do you think of the Stark OC’s name being either Osric, Artos, Barthogan or Conan?

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                      1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 10:15AM UTC

                        I like Artos

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                        1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 10:16AM UTC

                          Sweet. And Artos Stark will be the oldest trueborn son of Eddard Stark and Catelyn Tully and the older fraternal twin brother of Robb Stark? And how are you with polyamorous relationships?

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                          1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 10:58AM UTC

                            Hmm, that depends on who it's about and what the circumstances are. It wasn't that common with the Targaryens either, but it was more "normal" than with others. And even then, things didn't always go smoothly.

                            I also always find it a bit difficult (to the point of becoming unbelievable) when a protagonist, no matter if it's a male Stark or Jon Snow or Oberyn Martell or whoever, has two or three girlfriends/lovers/wives at the same time and just because the character is such a great guy, all these women are of course totally fine with that.

                            So I'm a little torn on that topic. It CAN work of course, but it's a ride on the razor's edge so to speak, as the whole thing can very quickly and easily get quite cheesy and silly.

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                            1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 11:04AM UTC

                              So you willing to try a polyamorous relationship for Artos Stark? I’m thinking there could be 2, 3 or 4 women max, nothing ridiculously big?

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                              1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 11:16AM UTC

                                Haha, I think 3 or even 4 women is already quite the number :-D

                                And as said before, it very much depends on the circumstances and how it is build up. If those 2, 3 or 4 women just go along with him having his own harem just becuase he's such a great guy, then that's too cheap for me.

                                So there would have to be an explanation why they would go along with it other than just "wow, Artos is the greatest man ever and we're all so happy that he has chosen us of the thousands he could have had".

                                Could be that he's basically cheating on all those women, so none of the women would know of the others or that they all know it but none is happy with it. I'm totally against all 2, 3, 4 women knowing of the other women and being fine with it just because Artos is "the man". So if you have any idea how to do this, let me know. :-)

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                                1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 11:23AM UTC

                                  I’m thinking that it could be that they get with Artos one at a time if that makes sense, with all of them eventually being with Artos by the end?

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                                  1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 11:30AM UTC

                                    Of course they would get with him one at a time, but that doesn't answer the questions whether or not each woman would know about the other women, whether or not they would be okay with it AND (most important of all) if they were okay with it, WHY.

                                    Apart from that, one would also have to decide what status the women would actually have. As far as I know, the religion of the North does not allow for polygamous marriages, so only one could be the wife and the others would just be his mistresses?!

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                                    1. FeralG4 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 11:33AM UTC

                                      I’m thinking the wives would love Artos and love eachother aswell if that makes sense?

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                                      1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 11:40AM UTC

                                        It does make sense, yes, but as I said before: for all the women to be okay with that just because Artos is such a great guy and them all "by accident" to be bisexual at that... that's a bit too cheap and kind of cheesy for me.

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                                        1. Scorpius6689 on Chapter 1 Sun 26 Jun 2022 12:56PM UTC

                                          Damn, you are a patient man, haha

                                          (Don't mind me I was just rereading those first few chapters looking for clues, lol)

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                                          1. Aegon_the_Dragon on Chapter 1 Mon 27 Jun 2022 09:51AM UTC

                                            Well, I'm doing my best ;-)

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